“Now’s not the time to muck around with this theory, we need facts”

“No, it’s important there is hard and fast robust performance management behind this”

“We can’t do anything with theory, we need to deliver”

“That’s all well and good but you have to inject a note of realism into things: Audit and inspection matters”

“We are not Portsmouth Council, this isn’t Housing”

“What has Systems Thinking got to say about co-production and the movement onto online?”

“Well, what about the transparency agenda?”

Keep systems thinking, and have a lovely day!